BBC Wimbledon 4k

Try this: https://collab.osmc.tv/s/T8BGEcIn9qJee4M

Cheers Graham, plays perfectly, switches my TV to HDR mode and the colours look really good.
So I’m fully confident my TV has no issues with HLG content.

Shame I cant try the other one, ive always been partial to a bit of cinematic jazz!

Can use youtube-dl on the Vero to download.

The title says HDR10. Doesn’t seem to be HLG??

Yeah that one doesn’t make my telly go into HDR mode at all unfortunately…the one you posted worked fine.

Weird because my TV definitely supports HDR10 as well.

http://andytather.co.uk/Panda/Files/Video/HDR/HLG/LG_Cymatic_Jazz_HLG_Astra_teststream.ts

Cheers, it works perfectly.

Try the “View all Wimbledon” option in your TV’s iplayer app.
The UHD stream is towards the bottom of the list

Yeah that’s how I found it in the iPlayer app on the Firestick 4k, the UHD Center Court stream is playing perfectly with HLG in that.

In my TVs app there is no such UHD stream available though…not overly concerned though, just a bit of a PITA to have to move the Firestick from my bedroom to the lounge. First world problems.

There is something a bit odd though…if I let the Firestick auto select the refresh rate, it switched to 60Hz, which ties in with what @Steve_Neal posted about the manifest.
But it doesn’t look right, like you’re watching 50fps content at 60Hz refresh rate.
Ive manually set the Firestick to display everything at 50Hz, and it looks perfect.

When played through the Kodi iPlayer add-on, its detected as 50fps, and displayed as such…and it plays fine (apart from no HDR)

My conclusion is the stream is actually 2160p50…not 2160p60.

Live-broadcast BBC material will always be captured at 50Hz.

Yep, what threw me was I didn’t realise the iPlayer app on the fire stick doesn’t switch the frame rate automatically…so it just sits at 60Hz unless you manually override it in the settings.

I think maybe it was a typo from @Steve_Neal

Typo in my original post about Wimbledon - I did, of course, mean 2160p50 and have edited the original post.

All UK origination will be i25, p25 or p50 - and streaming is likely to be p25 or p50.

Sport and entertainment is shot 1080i25 or 2160p50 native - both have 50Hz motion - whilst most non-soap drama (plus Hollyoaks, Casualty and Holby City), high-end factual etc. will be shot p25.

iPlayer HD SDR is pretty much entirely 720p50 Rec 709at 5Mbs h.264/AVC - but the BBC’s Live UHD streams are all p50 h.265/HEVC Rec 2020 HLG (at up to 36Mbs) The recorded natural history stuff was p25.

Very few Amazon apps seem to switch frame rates other than Amazon Prime Video and Kodi/MrMC. Netflix, iPlayer etc. are all running at fixed frame rates.

Yeah Ive noticed that and find it odd.
It cant be that hard to implement so im guessing there’s some other reason behind it.

I think it’s just a case of people not upgrading their apps that quickly, or developers not specialising that heavily in Amazon Fire TV development?

Android TV also supports a frame rate changing API - but very few Android TV apps properly frame rate switch either. On the other hand, lots of Apple TV tvOS apps upgraded to support their frame rate API pretty quickly. (Though I think iPlayer runs at system frame rate - which is why my Apple TV is set for 50Hz output as default)

Yeah that’s why I find it strange.
I can understand why companies like Amazon, who provide both hardware and content, would want their content to look better on their own hardware than anyone elses…yet companies like Netflix and the Beeb, who have no dog in the hardware fight, seem a bit slow in updating their apps to implement it.

You’d think they’d want their content looking as good as it possibly can.

I recently had a Fire stick for a whole two days before it was sent back to Amazon. Even with the so-called frame-rate matching feature enabled, it was just hopeless. It would occasionally swith to 24p for a film via the Amazon Prime app, but often get stuck and not switch back. And as others have noted, no frame-rate switching at all for iPlayer or Netflix. The whole impression was that it’s a very flaky product.

I took a punt on an Apple 4k TV box instead, and it’s superb. Everything has perfect frame-rate switching, including iPlayer and Netflix. First device I’ve used that does HD at 24p for relevant Netflix titles. Much better than the Fire stick and the PS4.

Its a shame after Wimbledon finishes on Sunday there won’t be any BBC UHD content available for the foreseeable…does anyone know if they have any more trials/plans in the pipeline?

There’s usually a test stream of Planet Earth II in the Beta section of the app. And given that Tokyo 2020 is likely to be 8K/120 I wouldn’t bet against a 4K/50 or 4K/60 Olympic stream. And there is the European Cup football next year too.

There are a LOT of platforms and finite amounts of licence-fee funded developer support…