Full SBS Playback

[Xeth84]

I just got my Vero V today and loaded it up. FSBS movies play, but the image is cropped to the original aspect ratio of the video file, so the top and bottom on the image is cut off. How do I fix this?

Stereoscopic playback is the only reason I bought the Vero. I have been using my PC, and Kodi plays FSBS files perfectly, no cutoff, so I assumed the Vero would as well since it uses Kodi. I just wanted to have a first world system that played the files automatically that didn’t involve me having a bunch of steps and cable switching with my comp.

[sam_nazarko]

Can you let me know the title / file that you played?

We will check this promptly.

Sam

[Xeth84]

It’s a file from a movie I ripped. The movie is Antman.

[sam_nazarko]

How did you rip it?

Can you provide a sample?

Sam

[Xeth84]

I ripped it with MakeMKV and then used BD3D2MK3D to make the SBS

Here you go:

Ant-Man-001.mkv

Also I ripped the subtitles to work 3D (part of the uploaded file), but they don’t playback properly. I can get them to playback properly in my VR headset, but not on Kodi.

[sam_nazarko]

Vero 4K+ Issues and questions

That’s right. Since you’ve asked, I’d like to give you an update now . When I was working on the “flip eye” support for HSBS/HTAB videos a couple of months ago I’ve also had a look at Full-SBS/TAB support. What I found out was just a nightmare. The 3D code in the kernel is just working by chance it seems. The code is in a very bad condition, duplicate code everywhere, 3D related code that influences 2D playback, dead code, or code that just isn’t doing what it should. While I wa…

Frame Packed output (MVC) is certainly supported.

[Xeth84]

So no support then? Kodi on my pc plays it just fine.

[sam_nazarko]

Can you please provide us with full MediaInfo as well as full instructions on how to rip the movie in the same way?

Sam

[Xeth84]

Media info:

[sam_nazarko]

The full MediaInfo output (text based) would be great, as well as an explanation of how you ripped this material

We just need a way to reproduce here.

Sam

[Xeth84]

I use MakeMKV to Rip the disc.

Then I use BD3D2MK3D to convert to full side-by-side.

A couple of settings that I make sure a set:
-On the 5th tab “Options ans Go!”, make sure that “half” is not checked.
-Then I under settings from the top, make sure that “32:9” is selected in the FullSBS section
-That “Generate 3D subtitles anyway” is selected as well.

[sam_nazarko]

Thank you

[Xeth84]

General
Unique ID : 50407062768579154060920408848361478439 (0x25EC0C12A47838414F7BEF0861665927)
Complete name : F:\3D SBS\MCU SBS\Ant-Man 3D.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 4
File size : 14.9 GiB
Duration : 1 h 57 min
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 18.2 Mb/s
Frame rate : 23.976 FPS
Movie name : Ant-Man / Ant-Man
Encoded date : 2022-09-28 22:14:24 UTC / 2022-09-14
Writing application : mkvmerge v70.0.0 (‘Caught A Lite Sneeze’) 64-bit
Writing library : libebml v1.4.2 + libmatroska v1.6.4 / x264_x64.exe / x264 0.164.3095 baee400 / (libswscale 5.9.100) / (libavformat 58.76.100) / (lsmash 2.16.1) / built on Jun 1 2022, gcc: 10-win32 20210110 / x264 configuration: --chroma-format=all / libx264 configuration: --chroma-format=all / x264 license: GPL version 2 or later / libswscale/libavformat license: GPL version 2 or later
Encoding settings : --crf 23 --preset medium --sar 1:1 --range tv --colormatrix bt709 --frame-packing 3
Original source form : Blu-ray 3D
Cover : Yes
Attachments : cover_land.jpg / small_cover_land.jpg / __ENCODE_3D_MOVIE.avs / __ENCODE_3D.cmd / BD3D2MK3D.log / 3D-Planes.zip
AUTHOR : BD3D2MK3D 1.25

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L5
MultiView_Count : 2
MultiView_Layout : Side by Side (left eye first)
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 4 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1 h 57 min
Bit rate : 10.3 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 3.556
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.103
Stream size : 8.41 GiB (57%)
Title : 3D Full-SBS (x264 high CRF 23 preset medium)
Writing library : x264 core 164 r3095 baee400
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=30 / lookahead_threads=5 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=23.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / frame-packing=3 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Color range : Limited
Matrix coefficients : BT.709

Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : DTS XLL
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Commercial name : DTS-HD Master Audio
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1 h 57 min
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 677 kb/s
Channel(s) : 8 channels
Channel layout : C L R LFE Lb Rb Lss Rss
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 93.750 FPS (512 SPF)
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless
Stream size : 3.83 GiB (26%)
Title : English (Original DTS-HD-Master)
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio #2
ID : 3
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1 h 57 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 509 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel layout : C L R Ls Rs LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 93.750 FPS (512 SPF)
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.23 GiB (8%)
Title : English (Original DTS)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #3
ID : 4
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name : Dolby Digital
Format settings : Dolby Surround
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1 h 57 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 320 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 268 MiB (2%)
Title : English (Original AC3 Stereo)
Language : English
Service kind : Complete Main
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #4
ID : 5
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name : Dolby Digital
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1 h 57 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 536 MiB (4%)
Title : French (Original AC3)
Language : French
Service kind : Complete Main
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #5
ID : 6
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name : Dolby Digital
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1 h 57 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 536 MiB (4%)
Title : Spanish (Original AC3)
Language : Spanish
Service kind : Complete Main
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #1
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Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 1 h 56 min
Bit rate : 65.8 kb/s
Frame rate : 0.491 FPS
Count of elements : 3432
Stream size : 54.9 MiB (0%)
Title : English 3D (BD SUP)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #2
ID : 8
Format : PGS
Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration : 1 h 56 min
Bit rate : 56.5 kb/s
Frame rate : 0.434 FPS
Count of elements : 3038
Stream size : 47.1 MiB (0%)
Title : French 3D (BD SUP)
Language : French
Default : No
Forced : No

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Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
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Bit rate : 58.7 kb/s
Frame rate : 0.438 FPS
Count of elements : 3062
Stream size : 48.9 MiB (0%)
Title : Spanish 3D (BD SUP)
Language : Spanish
Default : No
Forced : No

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Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
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Bit rate : 331 b/s
Frame rate : 0.002 FPS
Count of elements : 14
Stream size : 277 KiB (0%)
Title : French 3D (BD SUP)
Language : French
Default : No
Forced : No

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Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
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Frame rate : 0.001 FPS
Count of elements : 10
Stream size : 184 KiB (0%)
Title : Spanish 3D (BD SUP)
Language : Spanish
Default : No
Forced : No

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[tanio99]

As mentioned in the other thread, we’re not yet there.

[angry.sardine]

@Xeth84

I use MakeMKV to Rip the disc.

Then I use BD3D2MK3D to convert to full side-by-side.

I realise that re-ripping your entire collection is probably not practical, but if you do have some time to spare, note that the Vero 4K+ and Vero V do play MVC 3D very nicely in most cases. So if you simply use the result of the initial MakeMKV rip without further processing, that should play fine; and it will have slightly better image quality than transcoding to FSBS. The file size will probably be larger; but if you prioritise small files over picture quality, then HSBS or HTAB should also work okay.

[Xeth84]

Okay.

May I make a suggestion? Please change the tech specs to say “half 3D side-by-side” and “half 3D top-and-bottom” to avoid confusion.

I was just hoping for a nice and easy box to help play my 3D’s. I now have a $200 non-returnable paperweight. Oh well.

I have 3 other ways to play my movies: disc, PC w/ Kodi, and VR, so I’m not going to re-rip my collection.

[sam_nazarko]

I have arranged for the reseller PiShop US to give you a full refund.

We will look at this in a couple of weeks, but it is low priority. Thanks for advising how we can reproduce the problem.

[Todge]

Hi Sam, in an email abouit full SBS you asked me to post an example file here for you to use…

Megan Full-SBS

Sorry about the size, but it’s the smallest example I have.

[KaraokeAmerica]

@angry.sardine

So if you simply use the result of the initial MakeMKV rip without further processing, that should play fine; and it will have slightly better image quality than transcoding to FSBS.

I generally follow this advice. I rip everything I can to MVC. That being said, wouldn’t FSBS be the same resolution since it contains both 1080 streams in their entirety? I do understand that if encoded to HEVC or something there are some losses there, but I was thinking that a 10GB FSBS file could potentially give quality comparable to a 35GB MVC file, plus it would be possible to stream to a 3D TV from any device capable of handling the 3840x1080 frame.

Am I not understanding something else?

[tanio99]

Basically you’re right. The problem here is, that the resolution that is sent when playing frame packed content is 1920 x 2205 and not 3840 x 1080.

If we want to support FSBS we have to adjust all the calculations done in the kernel to reflect that. And that needs time, especially since the kernel supposes that playing SBS content always means HSBS. So we have to introduce a new mode in the kernel for FSBS and we have to stay compatible with HSBS of course. That topic is still on my todo list.

I see it coming, I need to clone myself …