New Vero?

Boy do I hope my two past 4k+ orders make me a loyal customer.

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Would it be possible with increased CPU grunt to have Kodi UI running at 2160p? I ask this because of a known issue “jaggies” and aliasing issue with artwork scaling when.

Might be fuzzy on the details but iirc high res Artwork (eg 3000px x 2000px) is cached at a downscaled res (540p ??) and then displayed by upscaling this low res cached artwork to the UI resolution (1080p) causing aliasing.

It’s the GPU that handles this. We have enough power to do this but for now I kept everything at the same settings as the 4K +

You can increase the fanart resolution in advanced settings on either platform. I am sure we will find some improved sane defaults.

We can also do some tests with a 4K frame buffer later.

Sam

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Very much looking forward to Vero V, I signed up to the newsletter.
I’ve been loving my vero since 2020 and can’t wait for an upgrade!

Thanks for the reply.

If I understand correctly, OpenGL is not possible with this SOC right? Only OpenGL ES?

OpenGLES3.2 and Vulkan.

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The fuzzy/jaggy art isn’t from when the downscaled cached version is created but rather by the shit scaler used to resize the cached version to whatever the screen needs for the current view. The more this scaler has to resize the worse the result which is why currently we have the cached artwork size set at a fairly modest size. If you set <imageres>3000</imageres> your thumbnails folder is going to balloon in size, your UI will slow down, and your image quality in the UI is going to get significantly worse.

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Yea I currently have poster res set as 720 and fanart res set as 1080 in advancesettings.xml with algo as lanczos . Of course images aren’t as crisp and sharp as the original but it works for most part. The issue I see is with other art types (logos, character art, episode thumbs, etc.). There’s visible aliasing (logos) and weird artifacts (ep thumbs / character art).

Do you know if these additional art types can be cached at a res closer to the UI res so there’s minimal or zero use of Kodi “shitty” scaler?

I believe you have the fanart setting that is just the fanart and then imageres which caps the max size to cache for everything else. Since this is going to be very much dependant on what skin and layout your using I would take the approach of picking one type of art you care about most and when displaying an example of that on your screen that is currently looking bad take a screengrab (I normally ssh into my box and issue a kodi-send -a screenshot) then just open that in an image editor to measure how big the artwork is actually being displayed which would give a place to start with a thumbnail size setting.

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Vulkan 1.3+?

Vulkan 1.2 – but we’re not doing anything with it (yet).

No wifi 6 ax support?

Good question.

I don’t think it’s needed and don’t think we can fully take advantage of it yet.

We’ve improved WiFi by using additional antennas, improving the SDIO bus throughput and using a newer WiFi chip. I can comfortably get 700Mbps through two solid walls in a 1920s house with 802.11ac to a Virgin Media branded ‘SuperHub’. That’s more than adequate for 4K streaming.

802.11ax would have just added to the cost (chips and compliance) but we would’ve been capped at about 833Mbps due to the SDIO bus.

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Just let me know when these are available and I’ll order a couple units straight (have 2 houses I need to fit) :slight_smile:

Checked the specs, and not sure, but does it support dolby vision colors?
And what about netflix in 1080 or even 4K?

Its Dolby Vision capabilities will be identical to the Vero 4K+ - so, no. If you’re playing a dual-layer Dolby Vision video, e.g. a remux of a UHD blu ray, it will extract the HDR10 layer and play that, as at present. Single layer DV at the moment will play with false colours. Sam has said he is working on a way to convert the DV colour space to HDR10 on the fly, but he hasn’t announced any sort of timeframe for that, and you should probably regard it as an ambition rather than a definite promise at this point. (And doing this likely won’t look as good as real DV because of static vs dynamic metadata).

It will include support for Widevine L1, but not a certified Netflix device ID. We don’t know the precise implications of that, but my best guess is that you will be able to play 1080p Netflix videos with hardware acceleration (unlike the 4K+ which can only decode Netflix videos in software), but you will probably never be able to access 4K stuff.

You should also remember that access to Netflix via a Kodi add-on is not something that is supported by Netflix, so it can (and sometimes does) stop working without warning, and it can be a while before the add-on developers catch up - and this is outside OSMC’s control.

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Will there be a special price for the early buyers?

Yes, ÂŁ149

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And in euro’s?